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Topic: Did the Word of God change
Why do muslims believe that it is possible that gods word can be changed?
May 2, 2008
12:49 AM

Posted by Flacius 

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Nobody willing to answer?
May 8, 2008
10:47 PM

Posted by Flacius 

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what do you mean...??

our fate was decided when we were created...nobody can change it....how can you change it...???you dont know what the Lord has in stored for you....
Sep 25, 2008
2:02 PM

Posted by Sombre 

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je pe te repondre mais en français parceque je parle pas anglais
Dec 8, 2008
8:19 AM


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no one believe it. including my self.
Dec 9, 2008
7:12 AM

Posted by haya chan

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muslims dont beleive that God's word could be changed....how can it even be changed that is so impossible.
Dec 25, 2008
4:40 PM


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I'm sorry my friends and brothers to say that no one had understood the question of Mr.. He asked about the Bible, Muslims believe that the Bible was altered, but he (Flacius) asked: why?
To Mr.: Read this carefully please:
There is a mystery in the story of Hagar and her son, this mystery shows the very stupid manipulation with the holy books,
when Sarah allegedly ordered Abraham to cast Hagar and Ishmael out, Abraham obeyed Sarah and cast the “bondwoman” and her son in the desert and was blessed by God who told him to “hearken unto her voice.” Abraham gave Hagar provisions and water and put her child “Ishmael” upon her shoulder and left them in the wilderness of Beer Sheba in Southern Palestine. When they ran out of water, an angel appeared and conveyed to her the words of God: “Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in your hand; for I will make him a great nation.” God then showed her a well of water and they drank. Ishmael dwelt in the wilderness of “Paran” and begat twelve sons one of whom was called “Kedar.” The Arabic form of the word Paran is Faran or Pharan. It means two refugees. It appears that the place took the name from Hager and Ishmael, who came there as two refugees.
The Muslims have a very similar narration of the same sequence of events in their Qur’an. However, in the Qur’an, the details differ from the narration of the Old Testament. Muslims are taught in the Qur’an and the Sunnah that Abraham, Sarah, Hagar, Isaac, and Ishmael (pbut) were, all five, very decent and pious people. Muslims believe that the prophet Abraham (pbuh) received a revelation from God to take Hagar and her BABY, Ishmael, to a barren desert in Northern Arabia (Paran), more specifically to the future location of Makkah, and to leave them there. When Abraham began to leave, Hagar called out to him “where are you leaving us?”
After repeating the question three times she asked him:
“Did God command you to do this?”
Abraham answered “yes.”
So Hagar said: “Then He will not forsake us.”
When Hagar and her baby ran out of water, she began to fear for her baby's life and took to running back and forth between the two hills of “Al-Safa” and “Al-Marwa” in search of water. During this time God sent
an angel who caused water to gush out of the earth for them. This became the water of the well of “Zamzam” which the pilgrims of Makkah drink from today.
Once water was found in this place the Bedouins began to settle there and it became the city of Makkah.
Centuries later, Muhammad (pbuh), the prophet of Islam, was born to the descendants of Ishmael. The rights of hastening between the two hills of “Al-Safa” and “Al-Marwa” have been preserved in the Muslim's yearly pilgrimage to Makkah even to this day.
The major differences in these two narrations, the Biblical and the Qur'anic, are in the Old Testament claim that Hagar was (originally) left in Beer Sheba and not Paran as stated by the Muslims, and that this occurred when Ishmael was not a baby, but a full grown teenager.
This Old Testament narration can be found to contain obvious modifications from the following analysis: According to the Bible, Abraham was eighty six years old whenIshmael was born (Genesis 16:16). He was one hundred years old when Isaac was born
(Genesis 21:5). This makes Ishmael fourteen years older than Isaac. The above expulsion of Ishmael and his mother is alleged to have occurred after Isaac was weaned (Genesis 21:8). Muslims wean their children after two years. Biblical scholars tell us that babies were weaned about the age of three. This makes Ishmael at least seventeen years old at the time of the alleged mockery and expulsion. The profile of Ishmael in
Genesis 21:14-19 however, is one of a small baby and not that of a full grown teenager of seventeen years. Let us study it.

1) According to the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible which was compiled from manuscripts even more ancient than those of the King James Version of the Bible, the verse of Genesis 21:14 reads “..putting [it] on her shoulder, along with the child.”
Did Abraham put a seventeen year old boy on Hagar’s shoulder?!! It would be more logical for him to put Hagar on Ishmael’s shoulder if he were, as claimed, seventeen years old at the time. So Ishmael must have been a baby at the time.
2) In Genesis 21:15 we read “and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.” Did Hagar “cast” a seventeen year old teenager under a shrub?!! This too is consistent with a baby and not a full-grown teenager.
3) We read in Genesis 21:16 that Hagar sat far away from Ishmael so as not to see him die before her own eyes. Is this the profile of a full-grown teenager who should, more appropriately be worried about his mother or of a helpless baby??
Sep 20
8:46 AM

Posted by algorismy moh

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4) In Genesis 21:17 we read the angel's command to Hagar: “Arise, lift up the lad.” Who would be more capable of lifting the other up, Hagar or her seventeen year old teenage son? This too is the profile of a little baby.
5) Throughout this story we are drawn a picture of Hagar doing this, and Hagar doing that, and Hagar worrying, and Hagar weeping, and so on while Ishmael sits where he was “cast,” under the shrub. Would a full grown teenager of seventeen sit under a shrub and wait for his mother and himself to die while his mother looked for water for him, or would he have her sit in the shade while he went in search of water?
6) Even the angel did not address both of them but only Hagar, the only one who would understand. Once again the profile of a baby and not a seventeen year old teenager.
7) Ishmael is always referred to as “the child” and “the lad” in the story. Do people usually refer to seventeen year old teenagers as “child” and “lad”?
8) In Genesis 21:20 we read that after this incident, “God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.” Is this a profile of a fully developed teenager or a child who is growing up, learning, and developing?

The above analysis clearly exhibits evidence of human modification to the text of this story. The claim that Ishmael mocked Isaac and that this had anything to do with Hagar's journey is an obvious fabrication since Isaac was not even born yet when this story occurred (Ishmael was still a baby). The reason for Hagar's journey was not Sarah's jealousy, Ishmael's mockery, or the racial superiority of Sarah. It was only the command of God, pure and simple. In an effort to keep all prophets of God Israelites, even God himself is alleged to have submitted to, and even blessed the alleged jealous whims of Sarah. Further, if such elaborate additions to the story could be introduced into the text, then how much simpler to change the original journey to Paran to become a journey to Beer Sheba.

The Interpreter's Bible compares the texts of Genesis 21:14-19 with Genesis 16:1-16 and draws the following conclusion: “The inclusion in Genesis of both stories so nearly alike and yet sufficiently different to be inconsistent, is one of the many instances of the reluctance of the compilers to sacrifice any of the traditions which has become
established in Israel” (emphasis added).

It now becomes evident that sometime after God sent down the Old Testament, someone decided that they did not want the Arab descendants of Ishmael to be included in God’s covenant with Abraham. They wanted it exclusive to the Jews. Therefore, the Old Testament was “corrected” in order to show that God’s intent was that His covenant
be with the Jews only.
Sep 20
8:47 AM

Posted by algorismy moh

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sister or sister I you do not have that to hate nobody. I know that the word of the bible is is very strong for the people in face the reality. exactly the people to know that it is the reality do not want to live in it.
because in we want them to lever the ones that our mind naked says. but it is not our mind but it is the devil. that the devil you have all type of demon who works for it.
each demon you have your function.
of monio of prostitution, demon of envy, demon of hatred, monino to kill. demonino of pride. of monino of it wants to be but important of what. e to meer.
ours all we have that to fight against this thing. this I want says that we have that to leave this problem so that God on behalf of its son loving naked helps and in we can grow them spiritual but. if you not to search God do not go to help you. sample that this to search your life to move. with I also search and know how many barrier you have in this world that the demon put in the sight and the life of the people.
Oct 24
5:29 PM

Posted by Bola 

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